Sorry for the confusion, I’m new to this. I thank you for all the hard work you are putting in to this sorry saga. What a drama it has been. I really cannot understand Harry and Meghan’s attitude. The way they have treated the Royal family, especially the queen in her twilight years, is diabolical. We all know MM has no family values whatsoever but I expected more from Harry. For what it’s worth, I don’t think there will be any big revelations in their interview with Oprah, despite the hype. Having said that, the timing is strange considering it officially takes place before the review. My thoughts are, why poke the bear unnecessarily. In view of this, I do wonder if a decision has already been made and this is pay back time for MM. I have no intention of watching it that’s for sure. It’s their deceit I find hard to stomach. I have always thought of the Monarchy of bringing people together and showing solidarity, integrity and honesty and upholding family values but sadly feel these values are now being lost. HMTQ needs to take decisive action with H and MM immediately, in the hope that reputations can be salvaged.
Thank you Harry Markle for your very comprehensive account of the situation. As usual a superb read. For what it’s worth I really don’t think there will be any great revelations revealed during the interview, despite all the hype. Having said that, the timing is quite interesting and I do wonder if this is Meghan’s way of pay back for the stripping of their patronage’s, even though it makes no sense to hang on to them. My view is, how can they cannot support those charities when they have no intention of returning to the UK for any length of time. It’s just not practical. So why all the fuss? The other way of looking at it is, if they do want to keep their titles why jeopardise it with a tell all interview. It just doesn’t make sense. I won’t be watching that’s for sure. I do feel for HMTQ having to put up with this saga but I expect she has faced greater battles during her life time. It is such a shame things have gone this far and I think a clean break by removing their titles is needed and preferably before the interview takes place.
From the announcement distributed to tabloid outlets all over the world of intimate personal news including an intimate personal photo, to the news of an Oprah tell all, Justice Wobbly is looking even worse now. Barely a week later and she's happy to flaunt her true colours right under his nose. She got him good. He should be feeling very foolish right about now. And it is well deserved.
Maybe we’re looking at this from the wrong angle. Maybe the Queen and the rest of the RF should join H and MM in la la land and become celebrities too. The UK would gain lots of land, buildings to house the homeless, and enough money in the bank to fund the NHS. Just a thought.
With the announcement of the Winfrey interview in March, I am more convinced than ever that the "Privacy" ruling was based on the belief that "tell all" would be hype to raise viewership and not the airing of secrets.
Appearing on Oprah without telling BP. I wonder whether they surrender all their titles? Hope she can keep her 8 month bump pumped up for an hour! Damn thing punctures so easily!
A fabulous critique of this joke of a judgement. As ever your company and forensic writing caries so well the feelings of us all. I was only musing over the weekend I’ve lived all my life thinking that one day I would witness the unique magic and majesty of a coronation. The thought that this might never happen fills me with a deep sadness for my country and for its traditions that I feelings are increasingly under attack from the extreme left maniacs and a younger generation with no conception of what they wish for - just read history books to see how appalling the hard left is - equally as appalling as the extreme right. Sadly the Harkles are symptomatic of that attitude. I really never thought I would live to see the end of the monarchy and it depresses me deeply. However, using the law to hide important issues and to allow liars to prevail for whatever reason is a significant failing of a judge and in my view Warby needs to consider his position. I shudder to think what he will do as an appeal judge. The one thing we expect is judicial independence; when that is gone so is the rule of law. I do hope that the wisdom that has kept her majesty true to her vows will prevail and that she will put duty before family. I am increasingly of the opinion that the succession needs to bypass Charles (a man with an apparently singular inability to read a room - he needs to resolve the situation in the duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster and realise this is the 21st century). The saviours of the monarchy could well we William and Catherine a young family who could rally the country in a way Charles sadly can’t he’s damaged goods.
It's the Queen who has the Duchy of Lancashire and as I said I don't think she has visited this County in at least 10 years,unless it's a quick trip up the motorway to collect the rent from tenants. The Queen received 20 million in 2018 from this Duchy alone.Being a Lancastrian I know businesses could do with that money to help bring some prosperity back to the County not in it being taken and snaffled for her share portfolios
I fear Warby has damaged the reputation of the Courts in a single act. He may have tried to look fair, but the verdict is what counts. The danger is that 'baddie' will see this and believe that they can get away with things. That is not helpful to society or humanity at all.
It is so sad that HMTQ, who has led an exemplary life for many many years and in the space of 30 months, an American divorcee, can undo it all and tarnish her legacy which was so hard won through thick & thin. HMTQ will not be remembered for her good deeds but only for how she handled this mess and that insolent man child Harry.
I have been catching up with the comments on here and it saddens me to see that feelings are getting so intense that some people are sniping at one another. Please let us not get into the same gutter that her so called fans crawl out of. We all have our opinions and points of view and this is a valuable forum that allows us to air them. Please let us stay "friends" we are all in this together and have the same aim. If we start getting into nastiness we are doing exactly what madame markle is accusing us of. Have a cup of good old British tea, take a step back and come back calmer. On a lighter note the front page of The Daily Star is hilarious don't you think especially where they have covered the eyes up, just a pity they didn't put one over the mouths !! Chill friends and in the words of a true hero Captain Tom "tomorrow will be a good day " x
There are only a few that feel the need to snipe, and most of them have had 24 hour bans. They didn't need to ask why because they knew. I left some of their posts up, as deleting all the snipes wasn't an effective use of my time. Some get an indefinite ban, and I do not encourage such behaviour.
I'll probably sleep on this and do a write up tomorrow or late tonight. I understand the frustration and anger, and let's hope BP cut them adrift. Failure isn't an option, and they need to read the mood of the people.
I thank you for writing such a comprehensive review of the Meghan Markle Court Case, which in my opinion seems to be , if a normal person of no standing were to lie to a High Court several times “” perjuring myself “ I would have to be held accountable for my actions ? Of course I would . Lying under oath is a federal crime . Judges base their decisions on sworn testimony and signed documents given under oath, Meghan perjured herself by knowingly making false statements under oath, this crime which should have been taken seriously and acted upon , was not “”WHY””, . My understanding here is that the normal run of the mill citizen cannot rely on the courts , But if you’re Royalty it seems you are above the Law as in Meghan’s case, Justice Warby obviously likes his position and all the perks that go with the job ,, he obviously didn’t want unrest with Her Majesty, this is where I feel let down by the judicial system in this Country and by The Queen herself , I have always been a someone who has held The Monarchy in high regard , but now I have experienced these shenanigans, I see a weak woman in our Queen , complicit in all that Harry and his wife have done in the last two years , complicit in this case with ANL. They have exploited their British titles to the full and will continue to do so thanks to The Queen and Prince Charles. The words “ The Truth The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth” come to mind , Justice is Blind it’s been proven in Meghan’s Case ... and my faith in The Royal Family has now completely gone . (Except in the case of William and Catherine).....
Thank you thank you,yes yes yes you have just confirmed everything that I have been saying and thinking for the last three years from the moment she said yes to the marriage..
It also seems that people with sense are saying the same thing, we are all behind and in favour of William and Catherine it is they that should be our next monarchs if this is going to be a Country ruled by a Monarchy and not be Republican.
Warby will be blighted by this, and the simple fact is as you said, the world at large knows that she lied several times under oath and the Courts (so far) have not done anything about it. That sets a unsafe and dangerous precedent, and this now puts the whole affair as classified 'IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST' because this affects everyone whether you are interested in the case or not.
Public figures (no one) cannot be seen to be openly lying and then smugly making vistory speeches. If Wary, BP, and the Courts thought that the public would meekly accept what they state is 'legal' then they are gravely mistaken. It wasn't just one lie, it was a series of 'inaccurate' and misleading statements that she got her lawyer to sign on her behalf. That says it all, get someone else to sign to keep your hands clean.
A question Harry Markle because of being Queen is she above the Law. It gets very confusing about Q's powers eg noone can be arrested whilst in her company,or within a certain distance of her,like Andrew did when he was in deep water over the Epstein debacle. Can you explain it please..
Despite this fiasco of a judgement MM has not surfaced covered in glory. Anyone harbouring any doubt about her lying with impunity since arrival in the UK, cannot have any doubts now. She does not appear anxious or concerned in the least about lying under oath. Her ego and narcissism is out of control, and she is obviously comfortable in the knowledge that she will not be held to account for anything that she does. It also does not bode well for the Queen to address the titles and patronages issues as demanded by the majority of the UK public.
Somehow I am not surprised, but very disappointed by this latest development.
I've been British for 30 years, but I am not by birth, as I'm originally from one of the ex-communist Eastern Block.
Ever since holding the passport, if not even before, I've always been proud to be British because of the history, the traditions, the spirit, the culture, the people who accepted me and always gave me the sense that I belong.
My confidence in the British legal system suffered a serious blow about 14 years ago, when I went to the employment tribunal after having been dismissed unfairly, or so I thought, having criticised some managers of a project which clearly was a shamble. The project was in France for a large global company. I was travelling there every week, staying in hotels, with all the travel arrangements and my expenses paid my employer. The tribunal dismissed my case saying that there is no jurisdiction in the UK, but only in France.
To cut it short: in France they said is UK jurisdiction. Appealing in the UK, my employer was represented by Mishon De Reya, while I represented myself being at the time a single mother, just divorced, with a substantial mortgage and with the responsibility of not only my child, but also my old mother.
Needless to say I lost: the actual circumstances surrounding my dismissal were never addressed in any court and the British Courts (as well as the French ones) decided they have no jurisdiction.
So, call me cynical, but I am not surprised by the decision discussed here.
Personally, I would still hang on to the hope that TQ will remove all patronages/associated military connections but unlikely to remove the titles. How can she if PA retains his? Any announcement from TQ at the "review" just needs careful wording and diplomacy to save face for all parties. I also now think Warby was made aware of the pregnancy and backed off the case to smooth the waters.
We've had a horrible year with the pandemic and patience and tolerance is wearing thin due to the restrictions we've had imposed on us. An unfortunate side effect is gathering support questioning the future role of the RF. They too are covered by the restrictions be it distancing or home schooling. What TQ seems unwilling to acknowledge is no one including her own family should have to take these virtual slaps in the face from H+M and be expected to adopt a stiff upper lip and turn the cheek.. Both H+M are rude, arrogant, spiteful, insanely jealous, disrespectful, hypocritical and have no understanding of self awareness. I really do question why we are having to accept being abused and vilified as toxic and racist. All we can do is take a stand for ourselves and push back against H+M for their snide and not so subtle comments. Enter H and/or M screeching victimhood and their lawyers on standby.
Many not so secret secrets have surfaced about the RF in the past and they won't be the last. If M+H have this supposed hold on the RF, it would be better for TQ and her lawyers to get it out there first and end all gossip, speculation and threat. The Sword of Damacles has no place being held over the Monarchy by the vain arrogant D+D of Sussex.
I think the people have to take back the power. So true this is not about gossip. This is who we put our trust and respect into and it's clear it's only the financial side of the people they really care about. We need a peoples vote started before we all feel this sickened again when Just Harry and Racheal get to keep this royal cash cow show going. Also the thought of Charles as King not worth thinking about.
Wonder what Warby thinks now about ‘privacy’ and again, Hollow Harry using his Mother for publicity and gushing headlines by the sycophantic press that the gruesome twosome are intent destroying as well as his family. If he can’t see he hasn’t been played - pity the tower is no longer in use.
Sorry for the confusion, I’m new to this. I thank you for all the hard work you are putting in to this sorry saga. What a drama it has been. I really cannot understand Harry and Meghan’s attitude. The way they have treated the Royal family, especially the queen in her twilight years, is diabolical. We all know MM has no family values whatsoever but I expected more from Harry. For what it’s worth, I don’t think there will be any big revelations in their interview with Oprah, despite the hype. Having said that, the timing is strange considering it officially takes place before the review. My thoughts are, why poke the bear unnecessarily. In view of this, I do wonder if a decision has already been made and this is pay back time for MM. I have no intention of watching it that’s for sure. It’s their deceit I find hard to stomach. I have always thought of the Monarchy of bringing people together and showing solidarity, integrity and honesty and upholding family values but sadly feel these values are now being lost. HMTQ needs to take decisive action with H and MM immediately, in the hope that reputations can be salvaged.
Thank you Harry Markle for your very comprehensive account of the situation. As usual a superb read. For what it’s worth I really don’t think there will be any great revelations revealed during the interview, despite all the hype. Having said that, the timing is quite interesting and I do wonder if this is Meghan’s way of pay back for the stripping of their patronage’s, even though it makes no sense to hang on to them. My view is, how can they cannot support those charities when they have no intention of returning to the UK for any length of time. It’s just not practical. So why all the fuss? The other way of looking at it is, if they do want to keep their titles why jeopardise it with a tell all interview. It just doesn’t make sense. I won’t be watching that’s for sure. I do feel for HMTQ having to put up with this saga but I expect she has faced greater battles during her life time. It is such a shame things have gone this far and I think a clean break by removing their titles is needed and preferably before the interview takes place.
From the announcement distributed to tabloid outlets all over the world of intimate personal news including an intimate personal photo, to the news of an Oprah tell all, Justice Wobbly is looking even worse now. Barely a week later and she's happy to flaunt her true colours right under his nose. She got him good. He should be feeling very foolish right about now. And it is well deserved.
Maybe we’re looking at this from the wrong angle. Maybe the Queen and the rest of the RF should join H and MM in la la land and become celebrities too. The UK would gain lots of land, buildings to house the homeless, and enough money in the bank to fund the NHS. Just a thought.
With the announcement of the Winfrey interview in March, I am more convinced than ever that the "Privacy" ruling was based on the belief that "tell all" would be hype to raise viewership and not the airing of secrets.
Appearing on Oprah without telling BP. I wonder whether they surrender all their titles? Hope she can keep her 8 month bump pumped up for an hour! Damn thing punctures so easily!
A fabulous critique of this joke of a judgement. As ever your company and forensic writing caries so well the feelings of us all. I was only musing over the weekend I’ve lived all my life thinking that one day I would witness the unique magic and majesty of a coronation. The thought that this might never happen fills me with a deep sadness for my country and for its traditions that I feelings are increasingly under attack from the extreme left maniacs and a younger generation with no conception of what they wish for - just read history books to see how appalling the hard left is - equally as appalling as the extreme right. Sadly the Harkles are symptomatic of that attitude. I really never thought I would live to see the end of the monarchy and it depresses me deeply. However, using the law to hide important issues and to allow liars to prevail for whatever reason is a significant failing of a judge and in my view Warby needs to consider his position. I shudder to think what he will do as an appeal judge. The one thing we expect is judicial independence; when that is gone so is the rule of law. I do hope that the wisdom that has kept her majesty true to her vows will prevail and that she will put duty before family. I am increasingly of the opinion that the succession needs to bypass Charles (a man with an apparently singular inability to read a room - he needs to resolve the situation in the duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster and realise this is the 21st century). The saviours of the monarchy could well we William and Catherine a young family who could rally the country in a way Charles sadly can’t he’s damaged goods.
It's the Queen who has the Duchy of Lancashire and as I said I don't think she has visited this County in at least 10 years,unless it's a quick trip up the motorway to collect the rent from tenants. The Queen received 20 million in 2018 from this Duchy alone.Being a Lancastrian I know businesses could do with that money to help bring some prosperity back to the County not in it being taken and snaffled for her share portfolios
I fear Warby has damaged the reputation of the Courts in a single act. He may have tried to look fair, but the verdict is what counts. The danger is that 'baddie' will see this and believe that they can get away with things. That is not helpful to society or humanity at all.
It is so sad that HMTQ, who has led an exemplary life for many many years and in the space of 30 months, an American divorcee, can undo it all and tarnish her legacy which was so hard won through thick & thin. HMTQ will not be remembered for her good deeds but only for how she handled this mess and that insolent man child Harry.
I have been catching up with the comments on here and it saddens me to see that feelings are getting so intense that some people are sniping at one another. Please let us not get into the same gutter that her so called fans crawl out of. We all have our opinions and points of view and this is a valuable forum that allows us to air them. Please let us stay "friends" we are all in this together and have the same aim. If we start getting into nastiness we are doing exactly what madame markle is accusing us of. Have a cup of good old British tea, take a step back and come back calmer. On a lighter note the front page of The Daily Star is hilarious don't you think especially where they have covered the eyes up, just a pity they didn't put one over the mouths !! Chill friends and in the words of a true hero Captain Tom "tomorrow will be a good day " x
There are only a few that feel the need to snipe, and most of them have had 24 hour bans. They didn't need to ask why because they knew. I left some of their posts up, as deleting all the snipes wasn't an effective use of my time. Some get an indefinite ban, and I do not encourage such behaviour.
I'll probably sleep on this and do a write up tomorrow or late tonight. I understand the frustration and anger, and let's hope BP cut them adrift. Failure isn't an option, and they need to read the mood of the people.
I thank you for writing such a comprehensive review of the Meghan Markle Court Case, which in my opinion seems to be , if a normal person of no standing were to lie to a High Court several times “” perjuring myself “ I would have to be held accountable for my actions ? Of course I would . Lying under oath is a federal crime . Judges base their decisions on sworn testimony and signed documents given under oath, Meghan perjured herself by knowingly making false statements under oath, this crime which should have been taken seriously and acted upon , was not “”WHY””, . My understanding here is that the normal run of the mill citizen cannot rely on the courts , But if you’re Royalty it seems you are above the Law as in Meghan’s case, Justice Warby obviously likes his position and all the perks that go with the job ,, he obviously didn’t want unrest with Her Majesty, this is where I feel let down by the judicial system in this Country and by The Queen herself , I have always been a someone who has held The Monarchy in high regard , but now I have experienced these shenanigans, I see a weak woman in our Queen , complicit in all that Harry and his wife have done in the last two years , complicit in this case with ANL. They have exploited their British titles to the full and will continue to do so thanks to The Queen and Prince Charles. The words “ The Truth The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth” come to mind , Justice is Blind it’s been proven in Meghan’s Case ... and my faith in The Royal Family has now completely gone . (Except in the case of William and Catherine).....
Thank you thank you,yes yes yes you have just confirmed everything that I have been saying and thinking for the last three years from the moment she said yes to the marriage..
It also seems that people with sense are saying the same thing, we are all behind and in favour of William and Catherine it is they that should be our next monarchs if this is going to be a Country ruled by a Monarchy and not be Republican.
Warby will be blighted by this, and the simple fact is as you said, the world at large knows that she lied several times under oath and the Courts (so far) have not done anything about it. That sets a unsafe and dangerous precedent, and this now puts the whole affair as classified 'IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST' because this affects everyone whether you are interested in the case or not.
Public figures (no one) cannot be seen to be openly lying and then smugly making vistory speeches. If Wary, BP, and the Courts thought that the public would meekly accept what they state is 'legal' then they are gravely mistaken. It wasn't just one lie, it was a series of 'inaccurate' and misleading statements that she got her lawyer to sign on her behalf. That says it all, get someone else to sign to keep your hands clean.
A question Harry Markle because of being Queen is she above the Law. It gets very confusing about Q's powers eg noone can be arrested whilst in her company,or within a certain distance of her,like Andrew did when he was in deep water over the Epstein debacle. Can you explain it please..
Despite this fiasco of a judgement MM has not surfaced covered in glory. Anyone harbouring any doubt about her lying with impunity since arrival in the UK, cannot have any doubts now. She does not appear anxious or concerned in the least about lying under oath. Her ego and narcissism is out of control, and she is obviously comfortable in the knowledge that she will not be held to account for anything that she does. It also does not bode well for the Queen to address the titles and patronages issues as demanded by the majority of the UK public.
Somehow I am not surprised, but very disappointed by this latest development.
I've been British for 30 years, but I am not by birth, as I'm originally from one of the ex-communist Eastern Block.
Ever since holding the passport, if not even before, I've always been proud to be British because of the history, the traditions, the spirit, the culture, the people who accepted me and always gave me the sense that I belong.
My confidence in the British legal system suffered a serious blow about 14 years ago, when I went to the employment tribunal after having been dismissed unfairly, or so I thought, having criticised some managers of a project which clearly was a shamble. The project was in France for a large global company. I was travelling there every week, staying in hotels, with all the travel arrangements and my expenses paid my employer. The tribunal dismissed my case saying that there is no jurisdiction in the UK, but only in France.
To cut it short: in France they said is UK jurisdiction. Appealing in the UK, my employer was represented by Mishon De Reya, while I represented myself being at the time a single mother, just divorced, with a substantial mortgage and with the responsibility of not only my child, but also my old mother.
Needless to say I lost: the actual circumstances surrounding my dismissal were never addressed in any court and the British Courts (as well as the French ones) decided they have no jurisdiction.
So, call me cynical, but I am not surprised by the decision discussed here.
Personally, I would still hang on to the hope that TQ will remove all patronages/associated military connections but unlikely to remove the titles. How can she if PA retains his? Any announcement from TQ at the "review" just needs careful wording and diplomacy to save face for all parties. I also now think Warby was made aware of the pregnancy and backed off the case to smooth the waters.
We've had a horrible year with the pandemic and patience and tolerance is wearing thin due to the restrictions we've had imposed on us. An unfortunate side effect is gathering support questioning the future role of the RF. They too are covered by the restrictions be it distancing or home schooling. What TQ seems unwilling to acknowledge is no one including her own family should have to take these virtual slaps in the face from H+M and be expected to adopt a stiff upper lip and turn the cheek.. Both H+M are rude, arrogant, spiteful, insanely jealous, disrespectful, hypocritical and have no understanding of self awareness. I really do question why we are having to accept being abused and vilified as toxic and racist. All we can do is take a stand for ourselves and push back against H+M for their snide and not so subtle comments. Enter H and/or M screeching victimhood and their lawyers on standby.
Many not so secret secrets have surfaced about the RF in the past and they won't be the last. If M+H have this supposed hold on the RF, it would be better for TQ and her lawyers to get it out there first and end all gossip, speculation and threat. The Sword of Damacles has no place being held over the Monarchy by the vain arrogant D+D of Sussex.
So if the ‘pregnancy’ is another fraud, that is more perjury?
I think the people have to take back the power. So true this is not about gossip. This is who we put our trust and respect into and it's clear it's only the financial side of the people they really care about. We need a peoples vote started before we all feel this sickened again when Just Harry and Racheal get to keep this royal cash cow show going. Also the thought of Charles as King not worth thinking about.
Excellent summing up of the current situation as it presently stands.
Wonder what Warby thinks now about ‘privacy’ and again, Hollow Harry using his Mother for publicity and gushing headlines by the sycophantic press that the gruesome twosome are intent destroying as well as his family. If he can’t see he hasn’t been played - pity the tower is no longer in use.